Wireshark-dev: Re: [Wireshark-dev] Future of Wireshark's Debian packaging scripts in the main r

From: João Valverde <j@xxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 11:02:48 +0000

On 20/12/23 23:20, Anders Broman wrote:
Hi,
To me it is a useful feature to be able to easily build .deb packages and make repos to easily update and maintain wireshark across servers. This is a feature I vote for us to keep regardless of any opinion on how Debian build their packages. Maybe a Debian mailing list is a better place to discuss their build system?

I don't know what that has anything to do with what I said below but that is totally fine. I'm not against a Debian package. I'm against mirroring Debian in this project. I note you already asked me twice how the package could be made better, I answered both times (IMO) and you never replied back.

Just my 2 cents
Anders

Den ons 20 dec. 2023 23:49João Valverde <j@xxxxxx> skrev:



    On 20/12/23 22:35, Roland Knall wrote:
    >
    >> Am 20.12.2023 um 22:43 schrieb João Valverde <j@xxxxxx>:
    >>
    >> 
    >>
    >>> On 20/12/23 21:21, Roland Knall wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> Am 20.12.2023 um 22:02 schrieb João Valverde <j@xxxxxx>:
    >>>> 
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 20/12/23 20:52, Roland Knall wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So people can link to our libraries to write other projets?
    And expect it to work reliably? That is news to me. I have made
    this question many times over the years but I guess I was not
    worthy of a clear answer until now.
    >>>>>
    >>> I am not saying they should do it or that I appreciate it
    happening. All I am saying is that it happens and is happening and
    we did not put a stop to it in time. Should they expect it to be
    reliable? Of course not as I answered also in other threads on
    this matter. But at the same time I see no point in having them
    hit a wall face on, rather work in such cases where we know about
    it, to ensure them moving to a saner approach.
    >> What?! I'm back to confused... So you don't like the situation,
    you say. Here's a thought.. maybe if Debian didn't publish system
    libraries in our name with these stupid symbol lists then people
    wouldn't get the crazy idea they could use these libraries that
    were published for this exact purpose and build their own software
    on top of it and expect it to work reliable and not break every
    other release, like most other non-Wireshark Debian libraries.
    >>
    >> I wonder what could be done about that. I guess Debian would
    get that clue pretty darn quick if we weren't mirroring their
    broken setup in our repository, thereby sanctioning it.
    >>
    >> I don't know, call me crazy. Or did I misunderstand again? Sure
    seems complicated to get my head around this for such a simple
    topic as is software release and distribution.
    > Just a thought, libvirt was not created by debian but RedHat so
    the state of debian packaging has nothing to do with them. Debians
    package is merely moving their approach onto Debian, but the
    decision to implement libvirts plugin in such a way had been done
    by RedHats folks.

    And what such way is that?! I don't even know why libvirt keeps
    coming
    up in this discussion. They wrote a dissector plugin. That's
    great. Good
    for them. I don't upstream many of my plugins into Wireshark either.
    This is something so banal that I am honestly confused why libvirt
    keeps
    coming up as a big boogaloo in this discussion.

    I ask again in all sincerity, because I could be misunderstanding,
    what
    is the difficulty created by the libvirt plugin and what does that
    have
    to do with Debian packaging?


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